Richard Coffin, Chief of Research and Advocacy at USAFacts, shares how nonpartisan government data helps families, educators, and health care leaders make more informed decisions for the children and communities they serve. From local public health trends to population-level insights, this conversation highlights why transparent, accessible facts are critical to building trust — and advancing whole child health.
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Richard Coffin, Chief of Research and Advocacy, USAFacts
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Announcer (00:00):
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Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (00:12):
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Here today on the Well Beyond Medicine Podcast, I am excited to welcome Richard Coffin. Richard is the Chief of Research and Advocacy for USAFacts. Richard, thank you so much for being here today.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (00:48):
Thanks for having me, Carol. Excited to talk with you.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (00:51):
We’re very excited. The team has been very vocal about wanting to hear what you have to say about USAFacts. And I know that the foundational work that you do is to provide people with trusted nonpartisan data. So, beyond that, introduce us to USAFacts and share a little bit about your mission, your history, and your vision.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (01:11):
Great. Yeah. Well, again, thanks for having me today. USAFacts, we started about 10 years ago in 2015, Steve Ballmer, formerly Microsoft CEO, left Microsoft and started thinking about really his philanthropy. And he and Connie were setting up their philanthropy, and he wanted to understand what government does. But he wanted to do it in a very numeric way. The idea was that they’re not going to be duplicating government’s efforts, they were going to fill in the gaps, so we had to find out what the gaps were. And he really wanted to do that in the way he would have done at Microsoft, which is let’s look at the numbers.
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And so we started by just looking through, really, can you take information from government, data from government, and understand what government does at the federal, state, and local level? And it turns out it was really hard. It took us about two years to really get to the place where we had done what he was looking for. We wanted to try to put together an annual report, if you will, for government. And by the time we had done that, we had spent a couple of years and gone through hundreds of government sources.
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It was 2015, turned to 2017, and people were talking about fake news and alternative facts. And we said, “All right, it’s kind of crazy that taxpayers don’t actually really have access to the data that taxpayers fund, so let’s make it accessible, let’s launch this website.” So that was where we launched USAFacts. We launched it on Tax Day in 2017, and it felt right-
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (02:32):
Perfect.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (02:32):
… telling people where their money went and what they were getting for it. So it felt like the right holiday, if you will, to be our launch day.
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And we learned a couple of lessons pretty quickly. I mean, the first two things were we had organized everything around The Preamble of the Constitution establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense…everyone who’s heard Schoolhouse Rock knows the rest.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (02:51):
Yes.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (02:53):
Yeah, we realized pretty quickly what people really wanted was how is this data relevant to the news? So people were looking for, at that point in time, the tax bill was in progress. We wanted to understand how it was going to affect them. And so we started writing more about what actually the data meant for people in their day-to-day lives.
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And the second thing we saw people search for pretty quickly was California was the number one search on our site for the first year. People wanted data about where they live. The national data was great, but they really wanted to know about their communities. And so we started really digging into, can we get to local data to help folks?
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We pivoted quite a bit when 2020 came around, as everyone in the world did with COVID. And we started tracking local COVID cases. The first case that was technically found was just up the road in Kirkland, Washington.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (03:37):
Right.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (03:37):
So we were particularly interested in what was happening. But also, just our mission was to look at government data, and that also includes local health departments. So we started going to places like we had to go to Sheriff’s Facebook pages at the time, and Andrew Cuomo’s press conferences to get some of this information. We had to go all over the place.
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But the result of our tracking was we ended up putting out one of the first COVID trackers right after Johns Hopkins, right before the New York Times. And it was early enough that the CDC didn’t have these pipelines set up to the state, so they actually used our data on their home page for the first year of the pandemic. So it changed our trajectory. We learned a lot about what people care about and how to get there.
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And then since then we’ve really been spending some time trying to figure out how to really learn … Take the lessons learned from COVID about getting data about people’s communities, getting data real time and expanding upon what people are searching for that really matters to them to try to bring in the facts. And that leads me to our mission, which is just to make data accessible for the public to help people understand what’s going on in the country.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (04:34):
So you were taking governmental data, and in the COVID times, and probably still now, feeding it back to the government to put on their website. That’s kind of an interesting place to be in.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (04:45):
It was very interesting. It was a gap that I’m not sure we assumed we would fill. We were happy to do it. We were more happy that the government eventually stepped in to do it themselves.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (04:51):
Well, thankfully, you were there to do it. But I want to back up just a little bit.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (04:55):
Yeah, of course.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (04:55):
Let’s talk … You’re USAFacts. Let’s talk about a fact. I mean, we can assume going into this conversation what a fact is. But I want to get a sense of what USAFacts considers a fact.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (05:07):
Yeah, it’s a great question. So we made the decision early to only use data from government. And our reasoning for that was a couple things. One, it’s the people’s data, right? Taxpayers pay for it. Every person in the country pays for it. So we wanted to be clear that we are using the people’s data to help them understand what’s going on in the country.
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It’s also the same stuff that government itself should use to make decisions about all of our lives. So there’s just this high fidelity to it. It’s also one of the most invested in data sets. Billions of dollars are invested in government data being accurate and authoritative every year. So we really look at that as fact. I think that certainly there are other authoritative things out there, but that’s what we settled on as being the core of fact right now.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (05:51):
You were talking about the fidelity of the governmental data. How do you, USAFacts, ensure the fidelity of governmental data, especially in today’s day and age?
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (05:59):
Right. Well, so first, I say government data, I should probably define it a little bit further. We don’t take everything from the government and from anyone who works in government. For example, we don’t take projections.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (06:10):
All right.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (06:12):
Because they tend to be politicized. The Office of Management and Budget has forever and always put out not just the past 90 years of history of spending, but also what they think the next 10 years should look like. But it’s all based on every administration’s priority. So we don’t publish that next 10 years because it’s all just based in politics.
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Certainly, we don’t say just take numbers out of context that a politician might take out of context. But we are in this current administration, there’s a moment for government data to really improve. We’ve been spending a lot of time over the past several years talking about how it doesn’t quite work for the public. And our organization exists because it doesn’t quite work for the public. And so there is maybe an opportunity to modernize right now and make some changes in this big change moment for how government works. And so we’re really focused on how do we really keep the data trustworthy while also making sure that it is kind of coming into the 21st century and providing Americans with facts in the way they need them.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (07:07):
Do you compare the governmental data to maybe outside verified sources to make sure that there’s consistency across data overall? Or how do you do that?
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (07:17):
We will do gut checks sometimes. We won’t publish the non-government data, but we’ll do gut checks for sure. The funny thing is, when we do that, if we were to, for example, go try to gut check what the CDC is saying with stuff that other organizations in the health space are saying. Generally, those other organizations will come back and actually be citing what the CDC says. There tends not to be a ton of daylight between what the government says and what other organizations say on the issues that we cover, at least.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (07:46):
Now we’re on a podcast that talks about children’s health. So I want to move this towards children’s health. Families are hearing, seeing whether it’s on TikTok or for the old, it’s Facebook, or their other sources online, or their friends, they’re hearing conflicting advice about all sorts of things when it comes to their children’s health. From the perspective of USAFacts, what role does that good data play in helping families make sure that they are getting the best for their children, making sure that it’s safe, and making informed decisions?
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (08:21):
Yeah, it’s a great question. I think … I’ll answer in a couple ways. Going back to your original question about what makes something fact, we do a poll every couple of years called, The State of the Facts Poll. And we ask people, what do you actually trust the most in making something a fact? And the number one thing we always see people say is data. It doesn’t matter where it comes from, but the numbers, if you can see the numbers, it has really helped people really do trust this fact. And that is it was 10 points out of the next thing, which was scientists. And that was 10 points out of the next thing, which was academics. And so really the number one thing we can do for people is give them the numbers. Don’t just tell them, but show the numbers. So that is, I think, one thing.
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I think you mentioned the different formats, which people consume information. I would say one of the key things is actually getting us to be presenting numbers in all those formats. We’ve been learning a lot of lessons ourselves over the past several years about what it takes to actually put out an accurate contextual fact in a 30-second TikTok video versus a fifteen-minute YouTube video versus a hundred-page report. But all those formats can get to different audiences, and so being able to produce numbers in those different formats is really important.
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And then finally, I would just say context, right? I mean numbers give people context to what’s going on. They show people what’s the state of the country, they show people what’s happening in their communities. They show people trends, they show people parts to the whole. And that’s something where if people understand that, they can actually put any number that’s thrown at them in context. So we really try to make sure that people have that base level of fact. So anything they hear on social media, they can say, “Oh, actually, that checked out.” Or, “No, that doesn’t, and this is what I want to do about it.”
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (09:54):
Do you partner with other organizations to disseminate the facts that you have been able to discern from governmental data? Or do they come to you and say, “Hey, we want to know what the vaccination rate is in the state of Washington, and we want to get that out through whatever the Washington newspaper is that’s well known and liked and trusted in the community”?
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (10:17):
Absolutely. We have done a couple formal partnerships in the past with media organizations such as US News and PBS. But we frequently are approached by organizations that are looking for exactly that kind of information. And we’ve tried to make our site as useful as possible to individuals looking for that kind of stuff.
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So we, for example, have these pages, we call them answer pages. They’re these pages where we will ask a question that people are searching for online. And then we’ll have a person go through and answer it with the best charts and all that you could possibly imagine. And then we’ll feed it through some of our newly developed AI tools to actually regenerate that page for every location that’s available in the data. So we can ask a question: What is the top cause of death in the United States? And then we can actually go and regenerate that page for every single state and every single city that the CDC has data for. With the same authoritative value that the original one that was written by the human really has.
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And so we’ve been trying to create tools so that people can have that local data. And they can [inaudible 00:11:20] they want, but they can also just use our website and answer those questions for themselves.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (11:23):
I heard something interesting in what you just said, and that was AI tools. Talk about the AI tools that you use, how you prevent those from becoming distorted in any way, because AI can create some ghosts when it’s producing information. How do you use AI to make sure that the right data gets to the right people and is used appropriately?
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (11:43):
Yeah, it’s a huge issue and something that we are extremely careful about. So we don’t just use an AI tool to give us the answer from the general web. What we do is we’ll have someone go ask an important question and then go find the data to answer that question from multiple sources. They’ll write out the right answer, they’ll give you all the charts, and every single piece of information you would need to really answer that question in context.
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And then what we have to do is we actually have to come and take the data and store it ourselves. Because the data frequently at the source isn’t ready to be understood by these AI tools. You have to add metadata to it, you have to make it interoperable with other data, you have to put it in context of the rest of the world basically. And so we do that on our side. And then we apply the AI to it to really answer those questions.
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And then the big key step, which is something we’ve been really pushing ourselves to do rigorously, is then apply an evaluation step to make sure the AI didn’t do anything wrong. So we have a human review it, and we actually have another AI tool go back and review the original AI to say, did they get it right? And so we go through all these steps to make sure that we really do just use this very narrow type of AI to generate these pages accurately.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (12:53):
When it comes to public health, I know I worked at a public health agency, and I was flabbergasted, and this was 20 years ago, flabbergasted by the lack of organization with regard to data, data analytics, where it was stored, sometimes it was paper, sometimes it was electronics, sometimes it was on the web. How do we make that data today accessible and actionable for parents, educators, pediatric providers, and the general public who are trying to support health overall, but specifically children’s health each day?
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (13:25):
Yeah, it’s a huge challenge. I would say there’s really three things that we care about so much, we really are trying to push government to do. The first thing is at the data level. And that is, I just mentioned a second ago in talking about the AI tools that we use, that they can’t really query a database and understand the data. What we see right now, if you were to go use ChatGPT or Gemini or whatever, they’re going to go search for something on the internet that someone wrote about that answers that question, and then give it back to you, right? You’re not really going to go into the database.
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And that’s actually a problem where the government and all these organizations you’re talking about need to actually meet these tools. These organizations can do better work with their data to make sure that it is as accessible as possible to these AI tools. And so we actually spent last year and a little bit of the year before working with the Department of Commerce on how to make their data ready for AI. So we worked with them on this framework for what does that look like? And it has to do with metadata, and it has to do with how these AI tools can find it and access it, the authoritativeness of it, there’s so many things that go into it. But these frameworks are actually really helpful. And if government can change the way they structure their data, it will make it easier for AI to actually use it and be more authoritative as well. So that’s the first thing we hear about.
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The second thing about is presentation. Presentation of the data is all over the place. Sometimes it’s a spreadsheet, sometimes it’s a PDF, sometimes it’s just a report. And so we really try to make our site as interactive and useful as possible to bridge that gap between government and what the people actually need. We actually give out an award called the Federal Data Excellence Award once a year to the best federal product that is the most accessible to the public. And the idea is there’s not actually a North Star for most people in government when they’re developing these things. I mean, every state has their own dashboard, every agency has their own ways of presenting data. And what we really try to give all these agencies an idea of what would amazing look like if you’re really trying to make your data accessible to the public. So that’s the second thing we care about.
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And the third thing, which is especially relevant to this space, is to make the data trustworthy for people; you cannot in any way violate privacy, right?
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (15:31):
Right.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (15:31):
Privacy rules are the most important thing, especially when it comes to health. And so making the data accessible and useful while also making it trustworthy and honoring privacy laws is what needs to happen.
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What are the guardrails when it comes to ensuring privacy?
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (15:45):
Right. Well, government agencies really have to do so many things to make sure that data remains private. A lot of the CDC tools we play around with, they will start not giving you answers when you get down to smaller communities in the country, because they have to protect privacy. And if you get down to a community of 10 people where everyone is of the different race, for example, could be easy to identify someone. So they have all these rules, and we follow them to the T when it comes to if something could violate privacy rules, we certainly don’t publish it.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (16:18):
Let’s talk about COVID. You mentioned earlier that in tracking COVID, you learned quite a bit. What can we apply from those learnings when you were tracking COVID to today’s battles with medical misinformation, say around vaccines or miracle cures or health fads?
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (16:38):
Yeah, it’s a great question. We learned so many lessons from the pandemic about how data works, where misinformation spreads, and how to do this right. I don’t think we actually remembered all of them. Some of them have gone by the wayside in recent issues we’ve had, like with measles outbreaks and things like that.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (16:56):
Yeah.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (16:56):
But I would say that the first thing is that misinformation really thrives in the absence of data. That’s the thing one is the gaps in data are the number one greater misinformation in my mind. If there’s nothing, people are going to make up their own story.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (17:11):
Yep.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (17:11):
And so we just really urge those gaps to be filled when something like that happens and pretty quickly. One of the challenges is that a big reason those gaps exist is that federal, state, and local government doesn’t work together that much. There are 90,000 governments in the country. That’s a wild fact for me to repeat all the time. But 90,000 governments in the country, and they don’t really work together on presenting data to the public all the time. Especially when it comes to public health. And so that’s one thing we’re making sure we are thinking very future-forward about what could happen and how we are set up to present data from all these 90,000 governments to the public when it matters, so that people can really understand what’s going on.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (17:53):
How do you see getting through that? It sounds like USAFacts is well-positioned to work with those 90,000 governments and hopefully get to a point where we are comparing apples to apples. Do you see a way forward in making that data available in a way that people can understand, to the extent that it needs to be done at that level?
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (18:14):
Absolutely. I think it involves creating relationships between governments, which we certainly spend some time doing. Also, with giving out common frameworks so that State A isn’t just presenting data one way and State B is doing it a different way, and the federal government’s doing it a different way. But creating a framework, such as the AI framework I was talking about with the Department of Commerce, so that all states could publish it in the same way. If all states published data in the same way, it would be interoperable by default. You could compare California and Texas without issue, and that’s something that just doesn’t happen. But part of it is, though, because those frameworks don’t exist. So we would love to make sure more of them do where they can.
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And then the presentation is a challenge. I mean, every state … I tried once going through and just screenshotting every single state dashboard. They’re all different. Every single one was completely different about how they shown COVID data, and the CDC was different. So having one format where things can actually be shown similarly, it just engenders trust, so people can see the same thing across the board.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (19:11):
As people are looking at data and considering data, what gives you hope that fact-based information can cut through that noise of misinformation, especially medical and health misinformation?
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (19:25):
Yeah. Yeah, I would say there’s so many things, honestly. The interest in our site has been one thing that I think has really just driven me to realize that people want this. We had about a million and a half people on the site in a given year prior to the pandemic. By 2020, 2021, we had about 30 million people on the site in a given year.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (19:46):
Wow.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (19:47):
Because people really wanted this data. And we’ve held a big study around 20 million a year. Our newsletter list has about 700,000 people that received information from us weekly. And about 50% of the people that received the newsletter open it every single week.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer(20:00):
For those who don’t know, that is a very high open rate.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (20:02):
Very high. Then we put out these just the facts videos that you may have seen that actually narrates. And we just crossed a hundred million viewers mark on that. People are watching about seven minutes of these videos on average. About 20% of the people that watched them, finished them. And they’re 15 minutes long. And so it’s actually been really incredible to see people really want this information.
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So I think if you can really take the politics out of it, and I still think there’s room to do that. Take the politics out of the data, out of the information the people are showing. Just give people the facts, don’t try to lead them on or pass judgment on what people want to do with the facts. People really are interested. And so I am hopeful that there’s opportunities still.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (20:48):
As we look at the number of people that you just outlined, the number of hits you’re getting on your website, the number of people that are watching your videos for a lengthy time, and the number of people opening your e-newsletters. What do you think drives this hunger or this thirst for factual data?
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (21:06):
Yeah, that’s the question of the day. I think there’s so many things. I think some people are afraid. And what I mean by that is people read a headline and be like, “Wow, the world’s ending.” Well, I actually need to understand if it really is. And so there are some people that are scared and really need to understand data is actually calming in that sense. It can really help you understand what’s going on without the kind of broader fear that can come through headlines.
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Separately, I think there is a sincere interest right now in what government does, that hasn’t been around for a while. It’s a very interesting thing that has come up with this administration is government itself and its function, and how it affects people has been in the news. And so people really want to know what it does. And so people are asking themselves these questions right now about how does government work for me? What is it doing? What is it not doing? That we haven’t really been historically asking as a population. And so I think there’s a lot of opportunity right now to give people the information about what government does and how it works and how it helps them, that I don’t think you’ve just had frequently.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer(22:11):
It sounds like there’s a realization by people that this is my data. I’m a US taxpayer; this is my data, this is your data. It belongs to anyone who’s a taxpayer or a citizen here in the US.
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You really, as an organization, are able to take this complex data and simplify it for those of us who are not necessarily data literate, myself included. I know the basics, just enough to be dangerous. How can we make sure that people know about you and know that this is information that is out there and lessons that can be learned and adapted, especially in the healthcare space?
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (22:50):
Yeah. I mean, sign up for our newsletter is probably number one. That’s our best thing. Sign up for-
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (22:57):
We’ll get a link in the show notes for that.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (22:59):
Yeah, absolutely. Follow us. Watch these YouTube videos we put out. We put information in so many formats. It’s the same core information, but we just release it in so many different channels that I think people can choose a channel that works for them, be it the 100-page report. Happy to send that to anyone who wants it. Or sign up on our TikTok account and watch us there. I think any of it is good.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (23:22):
I’m curious, Richard, you talked about partnerships, especially with state governments and federal governments. Who have been your exemplary partners in making sure that the data is accessible, easy to digest? Is there a particular state, a particular federal agency, maybe a city that you’ve been working with that kind of is the example of how best to do this?
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (23:47):
Yeah. Well, let me say just to start that. I think almost every agency or city, state, any part of government that we have approached with this really wants to make these changes. It all comes down to time and resources and what the mandate is. But most people, I think, would be good partners, to be honest, in this space.
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I would say from really the exemplary partner for us has been the Department of Commerce. They run the census, they run BEA, they run the Bureau of Economic Analysis, they run the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the NOAA, right? They have so much data, and they are America’s data agency. And they have been really excited about this idea of can we create a framework for better data for our agency? Can we do it for the rest of the federal agencies? And then can that framework get to stay in local governments as well? I think that’s … they’re probably our exemplary partner so far.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (24:39):
What’s next for USAFacts? What do you see in the future next year, next five years, next ten years?
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (24:45):
Yeah. I think we are in a moment of change for the country for sure.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (24:49):
For sure.
Richard Coffin, USAFacts (24:52):
For us, we don’t have revenue; we have no territory to defend. We change with the country. So here we are.
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I think the three forces that I see coming together right now that are driving our future are, one, changing of the way people access information. Be it through AI tools or social media, or even the fact that there are even more people on YouTube now watching longer-form videos. People are watching and understanding and learning information from different ways than they used to. So that’s one big shift that we’re seeing.
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The second big thing is the questions people are asking that are changing. Government is in the news and people want to know what government does. Questions on our site now are focused on what does Department of Education do and how will changes affect me and things like that. And so we’re trying to answer those questions and, at the local level, as much as possible using these AI tools.
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And then third, we’re in a change moment for what government actually does. And so to the extent that we can make government improve the data they present and how they present it and make it more accessible to the public, we’re all in and doing that. So our future is really guided, I think, by those three things right now.
Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (25:55):
Richard Coffin is the Chief of Research and Advocacy at USAFacts, a not-for-profit, nonpartisan civic initiative making government data easy for – and accessible to – everyone.
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